Thursday, October 02, 2008

Che and Jimi


I saw this poster when driving through Openshaw last week.

(Ed: Openshaw?? What the 'eck were you doing in Openshaw?)

In 1970 I had the biggest bestest Che poster in the world on the wall of my semi in Cheadle Hulme (I didn't tell you about Cheadle Hulme did I?).

And he's still with us.


What makes a great icon?

It isn't necessarily the looks of the person or what they did.

Ernesto 'Che' Rafael Guevara de la Serna was a bit chubby in real life. Is it mainly the skill of the photographer or artist that creates the strong image of the lasting icon?

As well as Jesus - Here's Cher Guevara


And this tee shirt is advertised as 'Jimi looking a bit like Che'.


Jimmi and Twiggy are my favourites.


Every student in Manchester seems to have Jimi on his tee shirt at the moment and a 40 year old pic of Twiggy is on the front of this week's radio Times.

Have you got a favourite icon?

KAZ

41 Comments:

Blogger CyberPete said...

Twiggy is fantastic! That image is so striking.

Kylie and Brigitte Bardot are fab. As you may have guessed, it's mostly Kylie but BB isn't half bad.

10:30 am  
Blogger CyberPete said...

YAY first! (and second)

Take that bitches!

10:30 am  
Blogger garfer said...

Albert Steptoe is my icon.

People who sport Che t shirts are thickos. If the maniac had lived he would have been a mass murderer.

11:18 am  
Blogger KAZ said...

Pete:
I loved pics of the young Brigitte .... and she quit whilst she was ahead instead of going down the Botox and surgery route.

Pete 2:
Yeah.
No bitches round here .... yet.

Garfer:
Why does it not surprise me that you choose an old bloke who eats pickled onions in the bath rather than a hero with unwavering dedication to socialist revolutionary doctrines?

11:45 am  
Blogger Vicus Scurra said...

Tom Graveney

12:18 pm  
Blogger Dave said...

Vicus.

12:47 pm  
Blogger CyberPete said...

She totally did!

Now she looks like a prune. Which is forgivable because she used to look so stunning had it not been for her insanity.

BBs not Kylie or Twiggys.

1:15 pm  
Blogger garfer said...

What's wrong with eating pickled onions in the bath? It's no different from sipping champagne in the jacuzzi if you ask me.

I bet Che farted in the bath. That's the sort of things lefties do.

1:37 pm  
Blogger Geoff said...

Male icon - Jim Morrison

Female icon - Grace Jones

Not that I like either (though I do like their music) but they both give stunning image.

2:28 pm  
Blogger Donn Coppens said...

I knew that I should have kept all of my groooovy high school T shirts from the 70s!
Not that they'd fit anymore.

Twig's iconic wastrel-skeletor form will never die. It's true, You can never be too rich or too thin. ..the irony is that if people are too rich, then they are usually NOT too thin...

except for Posh, because she is MAYJAH!

3:17 pm  
Blogger MJ said...

Garfer.

In red suspenders.

3:27 pm  
Blogger Steve said...

Audrey Hepburn does it for me. Even better is the fact she is a long distant relation.

4:10 pm  
Blogger Betty said...

A lot of the Andy Warhol paintings are good as iconic images. The Elvis cowboy one or Elizabeth Taylor, maybe.

4:27 pm  
Blogger ziggi said...

Che? I thought that was Citizen Smith?

5:00 pm  
Blogger KAZ said...

Vicus:
You are being deliberately naughty.

I googled his picture and he has ears like Dumbo.
The very fact of having to google his picture means he isn't an icon - but a hero nevertheless.

Dave:
His avatar is certainly memorable.
But you've seen the real thing haven't you?

Pete:
Insanity - I didn't know about that.
Her politics were right of Garfer.

Garfer:
Cher is so plastic these days I don't think her farting mechanisms will work.

Geoff:
Jim had an excellent photographer who gave him a wonderful image - on 'The Best of the Doors' I think.
I think that fabulous Renault ad did wonders for Grace Jones.

Donn:
There is a phrase 'aristocratically thin'.
The ruling classes and their chums live on champagne and oysters.

mj:
I've never seen a pic of the real Garfer.
Did he ever send you one?

Steve:
WOW.
I cannot think of anyone I'd rather have in my lineage.
Are you Belgian as well?

Betty:
So True.
He also did one of the Queen (that's Elizabeth II not Freddie I)
I suppose she is a world icon.

5:04 pm  
Blogger KAZ said...

Ziggi:
Wasn't he called 'Foxy'?
I used to love Robert Lindsay in that.

5:06 pm  
Blogger Dave said...

That's not an avatar. That's a photo of Vicus.

As for women, yes I'd go with Audrey Hepburn too.

6:28 pm  
Blogger Steve said...

Not Belgian (un)fortuantely but apparently I have a bit of Welsh and bit of Romanian in my blood. But I don't talk about that.

7:28 am  
Blogger Murph said...

So you put the Che into Cheadle then Kaz?

I used to have posters of Lorraine Chase everywhere but then moved on to a little known Californian poet called C. Claire Leigh.


Altogether now...

Icon C. Claire Leigh now Lorraine has gone.

10:00 am  
Blogger KAZ said...

Dave:
So now we know.

Audrey? Wonderful
You don't get many Audreys these days do you?

Steve:
Never put Romanian and blood in the same sentence.
Sounds too much like a Hammer Horror script.

Murph:
Phew - inspired.
Or did you visit http://punmaker.com and put in 'icon' and 'Lorraine'?

10:26 am  
Blogger Malc said...

Isn't that Tom Selleck in the top pic?

10:26 am  
Blogger SL said...

This and this.

10:34 am  
Anonymous NiC said...

Back in the day when I were a student lad I somehow missed out on having Che on the wall. I had a glorious yinormous shot of Greta Garbo instead.

But, last year a brother in law brought back a very nice hand-painted poster of Che back from Cuba. We had it framed (probably cost about ten times the cost of the poster) and it now occupies pride of place in t'dining room. It still is a most amazing icon....and I've no idea why.

10:41 am  
Blogger KAZ said...

Malc:
Probably - in his Hippy Days.

sl:
Not Wayne then.
I bought my flat from two gay lads who had that pic of Eric above the bed.
I always loved Bestie - his famous 'bachelor pad' specially designed house was in Cheadle Hulme.

NiC:
The Che icon did fade away a bit (possibly when you were a student) to have a renaissance in recent years.
It's partly the piercing eyes that look outwards and upwards - inspiring us to revolution .... or something.

12:09 pm  
Blogger BEAST said...

bugger socialist revolutionary doctrines the evil smelling hordes can keep there bloody mitts off my assetts.
Harry Ramsden (Look him up on the interwebs you shiftless colonials and various other continental riff raff) is my icon.

12:52 pm  
Blogger The Poet Laura-eate said...

David Bowie - who else?

Ok then Marilyn M too.

Cheesy and cliched I know. Sorry.

7:51 pm  
Blogger KAZ said...

Beast:
My mum had a chip shop.
She didn't earn any money, but her chips were way better than Harry's.
I'm hungry now.

Laura:
Bowie - oh yes.
Thing is - he had so many iconic identities.
Which do we choose?

Marilyn is the icon's icon.

9:06 pm  
Blogger tony said...

DYLAN 66 curley hair etc
Have A Fine Weekend KAZ.

10:13 pm  
Blogger The Birdwatcher said...

Geoffrey Boycott. Off to the Goyt I think I need a rest.

9:25 am  
Blogger BEAST said...

Kaz its not Harry's Chips , its just his iconic image on the sauce bottles.....its that or Old Knudsen.
Why dont I ever meet girls who's mums own chip shops

10:38 am  
Blogger KAZ said...

Tony:
He looked a bit like a Jewish Jimi.

Birdwatcher.
Geoff Boycott is so not an icon.
Wrap up warm.

Beast:
Google let me down on the sauce bottle - but I found this

12:38 pm  
Blogger Old Wom Tigley said...

Hi Kaz...
I can honestly say that Twiggy was my first love.... up until that point I thought girls were to torment, pull their hair and chase with worms.... and then I saw Twiggy on the cover of my sisters 'Jacky' and I've been smitten with her since... as Icons go I think she's the best...She remains a lady and as never had to resort to smut to stay up there... never needed 'bad' publicity to get noticed...

Yours
Smitten From Hyde... :O)

1:02 pm  
Blogger CyberPete said...

Well she went all animal loving on us. She also wrote the former president of France about something rather. I think it's not just her body that's decomposing.

1:44 pm  
Blogger KAZ said...

Tom:.
You have very good taste (not for you the Pamela Andersons and Ursula Andresses)
Through it all she seemed so nice and grounded.
I always wanted to look like Twiggy

Pete:
She's a few sandwiches short of a picnic

8:46 pm  
Blogger Gordie said...

I remember Che's father's name was actually Guevara Lynch and he was descended from immigrants from Galway. Thinking of Che as "Ernie Lynch" made him more approachable, and just as inspirational.

I'm sure you were only in Openshaw for research purposes, like me getting interested in lesbian bingo callers.

12:20 am  
Blogger KAZ said...

Gordie:
Ernie Lynch?
Could be related to Bet.

Lesbian Bingo Callers? I think they did a gig in Openshaw last year.

5:44 pm  
Blogger I, like the view said...

M&S have one of those cotton "bags for life" with a similar image of Twiggy on it (it's a bit rude, thinking of Twiggy as a bag tho, isn't it)

I liked her cameo appearance in The Blues Brothers (altho that girl from Star Wars had a far better part)

vicus would be my male icon too; and a close second would be Johnny Depp

2:30 pm  
Blogger KAZ said...

View:
I'd like one of those.

Vicus - oh pleeeese don't encourage him.
Stick with Johnny - would it be the Jack Sparrow version or Edward Scissorhands?

5:48 pm  
Blogger I, like the view said...

Jack I think (better hair)

here's something for you:

http://woundupandreadytoplay.blogspot.com/2008/10/
her-face-is-map-of-world-is-map-of.html

(-:

2:56 pm  
Blogger KAZ said...

Thanks View - she's wonderful.

4:08 pm  
Blogger I, like the view said...

my pleasure


:-)

8:55 pm  

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